On this podcast, Maanda Tshifularo interviewed Leadership and organisational health expert Thokozile Lewanika Mpupuni,PhD. Thokozile is currently the group heads up Leadership, Learning and Talent for Absa Group Limited. Thokozile holds a PhD from from UCT and her experience include being heading up leadership, Talent and Organisational Design at Discovery as well as at Novartis and being an Expert Consultant at McKinsey and Company. And this much I can promise, this interview will challenge and inspire you. It has certainly challenged me tremendously. Her definition of leadership is fresh, powerful and life changing. I have not doubt that your leadership with get better after listening to the interview.